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Permalink Reply by Janet Gallagher Nestor on June 12, 2012 at 3:36pm

Dear Jeff,

I don't know if I'd say thorugh time travel, but since I believe all time is now, I think our healing runs backward through time and reaches into generations to come.  When we do soul healing it positively changes all the lives the soul has experinced or will experience.

 

 

Permalink Reply by Sondra Sneed on June 16, 2012 at 11:38am

Nice, Janet...

"healing runs backward through time and reaches into generations to come" -- that's a lovely word choice, reaching back to run forward is exactly how healing is realized in the soul.

Permalink Reply by Sondra Sneed on June 16, 2012 at 11:36am

YES!  One of my favorite topics to engage with God about.  

This is a very important discussion that can only be countered by the science that stands behind it's own ideas.  Science says that time is a linear concept, and time is not linear, nor is it a concept.

Physics tells us that time, place, and the coil of the universe are directly proportionate to the mind of being.  How we need to look at this coil is to understand that the beginning and end are not synonymous, meaning there is no such thing.

A coil is also known as a spring, and is the replicating pattern of the sine wave.  The sine wave is a side view of this coil.  So here's where time is stretched relative to the coil of all being.  

When this spring is in its relaxed state, time seems to move along its axis.  When the coil is stretched, time is elongated and therefore slowed down in appearance.  This slowing down causes a ripple in the action of the spring.  The spring moves up and down to reverberate from this action of elongation.  Slowing time then allows one to move from one part of the coil to the other in a kind of reverberating circumference.  (Picture the waves of time reverberating off of each turn of the side view of this coil.)  Time is moving back and forth in this reverberation.  In the areas of overlap, where the coils bounce off of each other, time is existing in an altered state.  Meaning 'before and after' are crossing over each other.  This is where time travel is possible.

The question is, how to stop or slow down time long enough to jump the coils of being.  

Time Travel and Changing the Past

Your question about change is a difficult one to explain with time travel, because it assumes there is some interaction one could have with the past and this is not possible.

What one must understand about the universe is that everything is recorded.  There is nothing that is not recorded on the cycles of time and in some manner of impression in the universal laws.  The only way to change the past is to change one's perception of it.  In other words, history could easily be changed if the only thing we paid attention to was the life of women in our history books.  Instead of revering politics, war, and political strife, we begin to rever the nature of women and childbearing; what kind of world would we suddenly have on our hands?  

We would no longer see the effects of men on society as a big deal.  Women's roles would become power roles and women who could not bare children would be treated as weak and ineffective.  They would not be cherished for their powerful inventions and creativity, they would be upheld as disasters of nature and truly ostracized for their ineptitude.  

Permalink Reply by Marshall Barnes on June 19, 2012 at 3:43pm

That's a very interesting question which you've posed in two different and very distinct fashions. First, as a physics conceptual theorist, my first inclination is to take your original question at face value, which then places it in the realm of physics. The answer, from my perspective is yes, except that the past you change will be in a parallel universe and not the original timeline you started from. This is simply calculated by applying the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics first (which says that you can get only one outcome per measurement) and then applying the Everett/Wheeler hypothesis (which states that there are parallel universes containing those alternate outcomes which you didn't observe from your measurement). The proof that this is accurate is obvious when imagining any time travel scenario to the past but is best accomplished by imagining a journey through what physicists like to call a "closed time-like curve" which is a section of space-time that takes you back to the same point in the past that you entered. Now imagine having a video camera with which you shoot footage of you journey prior to entering the CTC and all the way to the point that you reach in the past. You'll see yourself again but if you check the video, you'll will have conclusive proof that you are in a parallel universe because the other you will not be on the video from the original point of entering the CTC. This is my original solution and is called the Barnes/Copenhagen/Everett solution for time travel.

Travel to the future also involves parallel universes except that we don't think of it that way. The reason that future time travel involves parallel universes is that our present is constantly changing into the future and is splitting off into parallel universes during the process. So, the outcome just doesn't appear as radical, however it is. Just imagine how many life changing events happen to people every day, and now factor in along the little changes that put them in that place. Our future is constantly being changed. Relativity allows for time travel to the future through extreme velocities, which slow down time in that accelerated reference frame, as well as strong gravitational fields which will do the same thins. That part is something that all physicists know about.

As for time travel as a spiritual journey - now that's metaphysics. The simple answer is that all metaphysics is subjective in most cases, so in theory, yes its possible. Can it change reality? It can change the inner reality or psychological perspective of the person who does it, who can then, by extension, use that experience to change how they interact with people and things around them. In that way, they can change reality.

I've done the later, but as a R&D engineer as well, I prefer working on the former...

Permalink Reply by jeff herman on June 19, 2012 at 4:49pm

Marshall, If I understand your understanding of the physics, it seems you're suggesting that there can be infinite loops of variable realities, which suggests something I almost prefer not to contemplate. Can you give more context to this? 

Permalink Reply by Marshall Barnes on June 20, 2012 at 9:10am

Jeff:

I'll take this a step at a time, because it is a very complex subject. First, CTCs or CTLs (they are essentially the same thing) are found in certain solutions from the equations of Einstein's general relativity. Right now, there is a problem (which has gone pretty much undetected) in the interpretation of how CTCs function in as far as are they truly closed, and thus prevent entry, is entry possible and exit prohibited or are both entry and exit possible. The function of a CTC in which entry is possible but exit prohibited, is a two part problem. Part 1 is the idea that such a spacetime geometry would indicate that everything down to the subatomic scale would repeat exactly as before at the point in the CTC where it begins again in the past. This is highly problematic and often ignored by physicists. It was first brought to my attention in an article by Sean Carroll in Discover magazine. Part 2 of the problem brings us to Stephen Hawking's famous chronology protection conjecture which in this case points out that such a configuration would generate a feedback loop of energy, or quantum fluctuations, that would build up and destroy the CTC. The problem with this idea is that once you apply Heisenberg's uncertainty principle to the Cauchy horizon which serves as the point in spacetime that provides the boost to create the building feedback loop, you have alternate outcomes where the Cauchy horizon becomes what physicists call, "well behaved" and it does not provide that boost. I cited this in my paper, Experimental and TheoreticalAnalysis of Chronology Protection Failing On The Discovery Channel. 

The issue of the Cauchy horizon being well behaved does not solve the main issue which Carroll mentioned, that of the loop itself recreating the past. Because of the loop description, other issues are raised that go beyond the temporal nature of the loop itself, which require an in-depth analysis of its structure which, as far as I know, no one has ever done, so I'm going to.

Now as far as variable realities go, these are the result of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, otherwise known as the Everett/Wheeler hypothesis. I have done research into ways of detecting the reality of this concept, particularly as far as consciousness is concerned. I believe that instances where we feel that common "What if?" or other forms of regret where there is a particularly strong emotional connection, are indicators of our realizing that we are now somewhere other than where we know we should be. It helps to understand chaos theory, but one way of understanding it is the phenomena of losing our car keys. From my research, this usually happens when we put the keys somewhere that we normally don't, but I looked at the question of "why". What I found is that at a particular moment we are becoming distracted and we set the keys down thinking that we know where they are. At that point I have found that many people who think back on this occasion can remember almost a feeling of disconnection or a mental fog, right after this event as they shifted their attention. This constitutes the same thing as a measurement event and I feel is the classic point of decoherence where the universe splits. Why? Because that is the moment you have forgotten where your keys are although you don't realize it yet. From this point on, your life has changed, probably in ways that you might not ever know. This is where chaos theory comes in.

In chaos theory there is something called the butterfly effect, whereby a butterfly beating its wings in one part of the world can theoretically causes changes in air currents that over time ad distance are built up to create a hurricane elsewhere. In the case of the lost car keys, once you realize that you don't know where they are, your schedule becomes effected as in many cases you don't have the time allotted to search for them. Now, everything that you were planning that day becomes effected, even if you don't realize it. To see how, simply make a chart of where you would be, say during the time it takes for you to leave your home and drive to the office or some other destination. Now, factor in that you have to waste 10 minutes looking for your keys. Everything that you may have encountered during your original trip is now 10 minutes in the past. That means people, cars, all kinds of stuff. This could be good or bad. You may miss going through that intersection 3 minutes into your trip when, on that particular day, some drunk runs the red light. Or, because you're 10 minutes behind, maybe you do run into such an idiot because on that day he just happens to be coming through then. If your destination is the bank, perhaps you'll miss meeting someone that would have been an important business connection, or maybe you do meet them because you're late. 

The point is that everything we do, everyday, changes the future of ourselves and everyone else - and in ways that we may never know, and that causes parallel universes. We are in those universes which split off from any in which we existed in the first place, and because we are still connected on a fundamental level, which I believe can survive the decoherence process (decoherence is the splitting effect) then it is possible to still feel connected to those alternate worlds. Dreams which repeat the same location and people, which the dreamer recognizes but has never been to in real life, and change over time just as the real world does, would indicate experiences that our alternate selves are having in other worlds. In those cases, our dreaming consciousness may even have the effect of the subconscious of our alternate there. I want to stress, however, that these are not the same dreams that happen over and over but dreams that return us to the same place but at different times. We may feel like we know them once we are there, but not be able to explain any real history of those places. 

I am not sure how common these dreams are in people, although I do know that people have them. 

So, the CTCs are a known factor of physics but not well understood and Everett/Wheeler is also known and many more physicists are thinking that that's the way things work, even as we are trying to figure out ways to prove that that's the way things work.

It's a complicated subject and part of the book on the nature of time that I have in the works.

Permalink Reply by Sondra Sneed on June 20, 2012 at 9:52am

Remind me what CTC and CTL stands for so I can follow your presentation here.

Permalink Reply by Marshall Barnes on June 20, 2012 at 10:32am

Sondra:

CTC means closed time-like curve. CTL stands for closed time-like loop. They are essentially the same thing. I don't know why the two different names for the same thing but that's the way it is. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_timelike_curve

Permalink Reply by jeff herman on June 20, 2012 at 12:29pm

I feel you're getting somewhere here. Whether most of us need to also "get there" is an open question. In accordance with this theory, does each participant have a central or stabilizing base, or is each loop of equal, simultaneous and distinct purpose? Or is there a unifying purpose for all participants throughout the endless loops? Is there ever a point of unity? Is this designed or endlessly random? I envision the old TV stores where dozens of sets are turned to the same station and show, except each set is showing a slightly edited version. 

Permalink Reply by Marshall Barnes on June 20, 2012 at 6:51pm

I want to be sure a distinction is made. There is a difference between parallel universes and closed time-like loops although the loop would have to lead to a parallel universe in order for it to be consider a path to that past that didn't self-destruct. If that is the case, there should be a way to exit the loop.

Much of your questioning goes toward an area that needs to be rectified as to the nature of CTCs and CTLs, which is what I intend to do. Right now, all there are are assumptions and they don't always correlate with any hard data. 

The analogy of different TVs tuned to the same station with a slightly different program, is a pretty good way to look at parallel universes as a concept, overall.

Permalink Reply by Justine Junky on June 21, 2012 at 4:26pm

I hope I do not spam but if so of course delete the message. We created a group on Facebook and also a website that are discussing this issue (changing the past - literal)  Please go check out www.gointime.info The site is in a construction mode and probably over 60 % is not ready yet but there is already some info on it, Plus tons in our 2 groups on FB and Twitter and a blog. Please go check out. Again if this is spam (and it is to some degree I guess, and you do not like it and it dose not add to the conversation, please feel free to delete it. No offence is taken. 

Permalink Reply by Sondra Sneed on June 21, 2012 at 10:33pm

Justine, it would sound a little less spammy if you said what you discussed on your forum and then gave a link.  Otherwise it's like trolling.  

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